What is this obsession some people have with ivermectin? They don’t believe in the moon landings but they think ivermectin has magic powers.
Its an ad campaign to hike up the price and demand for Ivermectin by people invested in its production.
obligatory fuck daily mail but this screen was posted to a discord I’m in and I laughed then, I’ll laugh again now
I guess he’ll get to blame the Jews for that one again.
Gibson hating Jew checking in for duty. You made my day.
I’m a goy married to a Palestinian, but I’ll be at your side in this fight. We can argue about the other stuff over drinks.
Please tell me you’ve watched Don’t Mess With The Zohan together?
A member of the Mazel Tov Cocktail Brigade reporting! Fuck Mel Gibson!
omfg I’m holding onto this one. Elderly mother going to love it. Ty!
A fellow Jewish friend of mine and I joked for years that it was going to be our punk band name.
I grew up in 90s scene in Manhattan and the exact kind of band have we’d bill with
🎵Help the people the thing that happened happened toooooo 🎤
That sounds like natural selection is taking care of business.
We need more natural selection accelerants.
There were so many calls to “Let Mel come back,” promising that his outbursts weren’t a real problem anymore and he was on the way to recovery. Nope. Don’t believe that shit. Second chances are dead now, thanks to cunts like him and these other fucks that have squandered the goodwill of the people. Gibson isn’t done doing harm. He will be a piece of shit until he dies, which can’t come soon enough. Fuck him and the entire tribe of fuckwads that spout the same and similar nonsense. They are a blight on humanity.
tribe of fuck wads
You realize you’re talking about 80 million people?
80million gullible dipshits can still qualify as a ‘tribe’.
What’s your point? Antivaxxers are fuckwits who are trying to kill the innocent. They’d dispute that, but they don’t even understand how vaccines work, so what chance could they have of understanding cause and effect generally? And therefore, why should anyone give a shit what they have to say or what they think?
Wait is your issue with the word fuck wads or that amount of people being described as a tribe?
Amount of people. Too big to be a “tribe”
What’s the cutoff?
100 people.
80 million people are Mel Gibson fans? How would anyone quantify that. I’m confused what this number refers to.
80 million fuckwads voted for trump
let’s hope everyone who still listens to Joe Bogan follows Mel G’s advice when they get cancer.
Steve Jobs, an otherwise very intelligent and successful guy, got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and instead of jumping right on treating it instead let it go and sought out all sorts of “natural” cures. Well it became terminal and he admitted that if he had treated it at the start it was in an early enough stage where he likely would’ve survived. There is a trait in some smart people to think they are experts on everything.
Tfw you distrust the scientific establishment and take health into your own hands to stick it to the man. But then you realize you’re the man.
For a soul-crushing perfectionist slave-driver asshole, Jobs had quite a few fluffy New Age beliefs. It always seemed a bit incongruous.
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Vaccines turned me into a newt!
I’m not defending idiots saying it cures cancer, but people dismissively calling ivermectin a “horse dewormer” when it’s approved for human use for all sorts of parasitic diseases is something that grinds my gears. It actually is something of a wonder drug, just not for what these idiots keep claiming.
Methylene blue is an approved drug too, (the first synthetic drug, coincidentally) it’s used for cyanide poisoning amongst other things. It’s also a MAOI, which makes it dangerous to take with a bunch of common medicines.
The horse dewormer thing iirc comes from the fact that ivermectin is a prescription drug, and doctors obviously wouldn’t prescribe it for covid. So people resorted to one of the very few ways you could still purchase it: as the horse dewormer variant.
Of course this version is much stronger and intended for horses, not humans. IIRC this led to a few hospitalisations and even deaths.
That’s why when people advocate you should take ivermectin, the counter claim is that they’re telling you to take horse dewormer, since that’s the only way to get it. It’s not out of a general ‘disrespect’ for ivermectin.
Yes, but invermectin is also a very strong drug and even for its intended uses, it’s rarely recommended to take it more than twice in a year. During covid days, people were taking it weekly.
Weekly? I feel like people were taking it far more often than that. And massive doses.
My boss and the secretary were squeezing it into their applesauce every day.
The secretary was the same person who complained the doctors caught her trying to sneak it into her mom’s hospital room and was trying to squeeze some in her mouth while intubated and said she needed to get her mom out of there to got a real Jewish hospital that would let her do it and cure her mom.
Both sad and funny stupid.
My boss would end up packing his entire family and their stuff from their house that would fit into his F150 truck and flee Florida to Texas for “More Freedom™”
Was your boss dodging some creditors, by any chance?
Nope. Just didn’t like how Florida was handling COVID and the future of education for his kids if I remember correctly.
When did ivermectin become the cure all? COVID? Because this is beyond stupid.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
I swear, if somehow dog turds got a “fight the man” aura about them there’d be people claiming dog turds cure everything.
But they’ll kick and scream and run away from the actual medical miracle with a medically tested and proven vaccine.
I think they’re just nostalgic for polio and widespread TB. Maybe cholera too.
The good old days of having kids and just knowing chances are stacked against most of them making it past toddler age.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
It garners it’s “wonder drug” status long before COVID. Just not for any reason related to COVID. Nor Cancer…
The same people who think they are smarter than any doctor and play doctor probably like to be their own lawyer too.
probably like to be their own lawyer too
And then all they do is spout sovereign-citizen bullshit.
Joe Rogan is very much part of the misinformation media, he continuously gets guests talking crazy shit and he always nods along, yeah yeah, and people form some stupid reason just lap it up
Can we, for the love of fuck, put laws in placenthst require that as soon as a group of a certain size (say 50+) listens to you, that you are responsible for what you’re saying and that you’re required to ensure that your information is scientifically correct?
I’m sorry, but fuck free speech as so many people are raving about. Its the worst thing that has happened to the world since the Internet came on. All idiots now have a loud voice and the vast majority of humans apparently are very poorly equipped to weed out this bullshit.
No, your “pyramid curing cancer theory being blocked by big pharma” is NOT real, does NOT have a right to be heard, and is NOT a positive for humanity.
Yes, yes, we should be able to say what we want (within reason) but once you’d tart getting a following, that’s it. No more, PLEASE. YOU HAVE YO START BEING TRUTHFUL AND FACTUAL. Why do we continue to allow people to lie their asses off to groups to manipulate others? Hell, even US presidents do this in insane amounts. Even Obama lied at least a little in like 25% of is statements? And he was a low outlier. Trump lies about 90% of the time at pants on fire levels and we’re all fine with it. First amendment rules ftw!
Trump would never have been in power if we had something like this. Medical quackery would be gone as Dr Oz can no longer sell his snake oil bullshit. Churches would be gone, yikes… Imagine marketing if companies were required to be actually truthful about their products?
News organizations!
OMFG. So Fox news sues the US government to not be held to standards requiring them to be factual because first amendment… So quite literally everything coming from them today is a lie. Its all bullshit. Why do we allow this and just laught at them? Why does nobody see the danger of just allowing news organizations to lie to the populace to divide the people, to get false ideas in their heads, to fill them with false hatred…
If Fox news and the likes would have been required to be truthful there would be no trump, the racial divide in the US would have been a whole lot less than it is today. And when I mean truthful I also mean the things they focus on, the insinuations, the pundits with their opinions.
Why why why, why do we allow any of this? What the fuck, world? The first amendment is not worth ending up in world was three because we MUST allow special interests to lie yo everyone, first amendment!
Start requiring that companies MUST be truthful. Presidents and governments MUST be truthful in claims to their citizens. Celebrity or someone with a following? You must be truthful in your claims.
We either start growing up as humanity or this will be our downfall. We are at the edge of the end of humanity as we have known it for centuries due to climate change (and have no doubt, it fucking will end everything we know today) but can’t even have a basic discussion about how to stop or reverse this because special interests are allowed to use their news outlets to just scream that climate change is a hoax.
We just allow that. The theater is on fire and we can’t even have a discussion on how to escape out because even though the flames are right there, the theater owner keeps screaming over everyone that all is okay, there is no fire, we don’t have to escape.
Its gotten to the point where no meaningful discussion is possible anymore because we vant even agree about the basic facts in front of us anymore.
This has got to stop. The lies have to stop, we need basic facts.
I think you listed several good points. I believe a government that actually cared about its populace would help to protect people from propaganda. The problem is that this would require a government that was actually just. That is not what we have in the US at least.
I always think about it simply because it helps weed out what is really going on. Listen, if go to your doctor and they purposely give you bad advice they could be on the hook for it. They have licensing boards, oaths, insurance, and legal regulation to prevent them from saying things like horse dewormer good.
Why is it when we have influencers, talking heads, and politicians who can do much much more harm than one doctor giving bad advice allowed to operate without oversight, licenses, regulations, and ignore their obligation to society?
Let’s go back to simplifying this again. You would not tolerate someone in your personal life that lies and decieves you. Now think about people in authority. Would it be okay for your teacher, your coach, or your boss if they lied to you and manipulated you. They would lose their jobs if they did this and others find out.
We understand because of psychology and human nature that it is very easy to manipulate people and abuse them. That is why we hold the leaders close to us to high standards. Strangely though the more power people accumulate the less we seem to hold them to these standards when in fact we should even be stricter.
To be frank the reason we are not holding our most powerful people responsible is because they have been allowed to set the narrative. There is very little influence independent media has compared to mainstream media. If mainstream media creates an environment where it is just expected that politicians lie and are corrupt then everyone accepts it.
This is most definitely a conspiracy. Ever since propaganda became public relations we have seen those in power increasingly abuse their privileges. They have fine tuned the narrative to prevent themselves from being called out for the lies and damage they cause
They are using the best of psychology and other sciences to manipulate people. Drive their fear and hatred playing them like a marionette doll. We would never allow a partner to abuse us in this way but we allow someone who is way more powerful than a partner do this.
And make no mistakes these politicians are just like a partner because they are making intimate decisions about your personal life. They are invading our homes telling us what can and can’t do reproductively. They are threatening people’s livelihood. They are pitting Americans against each other for their own ends.
We need a new constitution that spells out that we will no longer be allowed to use the best of technology and science to manipulate people for selfish ends. We need rights to privacy, safety, and accountability. Until we grow up and stop allowing ourselves to be abused things will not improve.
The government must be designed to resist corruption not embrace it. Our current system is beyond broken with its winner take all two party nonsense. This binary choice is not a choice at all. You could never account for the diversity of thought and opinion with a choice between only two entities.
All of this is by design of course as the US was founded by the rich for the rich. I don’t know about you, but this is unacceptable. We have a cancer destroying our society and mainstream media pretends it does not exist because they part of that cancer.
We have lost the proverbial battle so far in the 21st century, but that does not mean we can’t demand change. The war for our future is not over yet. Don’t let people fool you either. Change can and does happen and until we demand it we will continue down this path of lies and deception.
That seems like a boiling-the-ocean solution, comprehensively replacing the government with a new, better (and unproven) one.
What can be done that’s actionable incrementally, starting right now?
It is great you are thinking of what you can do. The first is to talk about it with others. You need to find people who are interested in making a change. While you can latch on to any number of solutions to tackle the problems we face it is best to come up with your own solutions with like minded people.
One thing people have been trying to do is implement ranked voting. Although we would still be stuck with our two-party system, ranked voting prevents the conundrum of losing your vote if you vote third party. This also prevents other parties from helping out spoiler candidates and using them to continue winning elections even though it is clear people want change.
There has been a bit of backlash against ranked voting with some representatives even passing amendments to prevent ranked voting at the state level. A common criticism of ranked voting is it is confusing for voters. The real reason ranked voting is discouraged though is it upsets the existing power dynamic and would allow more independent or third party candidates.
You can also get involved with local politics. I would highly suggest paying attention to city/county elections. You could run for office yourself or find someone you like to campaign for.
Don’t be afraid to meet with your state or federal representatives either. I went down to the capitol and lobbied for gay marriage personally with my wife. We met with the news and talked with a lot of people on steps besides just the representatives. We ultimately passed this in our state before it happened on the federal level.
In my personal opinion, on the federal level, our biggest issue is privacy. It is time to write our Senate and Congress reps about this and tell everyone you know how important it is we have laws to protect us in this digital age.
Some of the other big issues that need to be tackled is unequal representation in Congress. For instance the county of LA has as much population as 40 US states but California does not get the reps they should in Congress.
We of course also need to get money completely out of politics. No one who is representing us should be allowed conflicts of interests. This means they should not be purchasing stocks or investing while they have privileged knowledge. They should not be running businesses and the revolving door between public office and private companies needs to be closed.
Money should not equal speech because if it does then those without money will not get equal representation. No more billion dollars campaigns and all political messaging should be tightly controlled. Candidates should only be able to sell their messages with their policies and should be held accountable to these policies.
I strongly feel politicians should be held to much higher standards. They should have a board, should pass tests, and should be licensed. All ethics should be codified into actual laws as we have seen relying on politicians to be honorable is foolish.
At any rate, there is a few things you could do.
Well, unfortunately, this is only going to get much worse when Trump takes over…
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Bruh… That’s some high hopes and a fuck load of effort for something that will never happen. Your suggestions are very much unrealistic.
Are they?
Are you okay with the current state of affairs where every idiot gets given a bullhorn to spew their nonsense, where lying is not an exception, it’s not a sometimes, but it’s actually the norm?
Go to a random website and chances are that it’s full of clickbait bullshit lies. Get some product from any company, check information about it and it’s almost guaranteed overstated and lies.
Where does it end?
and people form some stupid reason just lap it up
Stupid people love being stupid. Ignorance is bliss, after all.
The ignoramuses I encounter seem more angry or depressed than they are blissful.
Is it? The bullshit people usually are just pissed; all news they hear is horrible
I’m sorry, but fuck free speech as so many people are raving about. Its the worst thing that has happened to the world since the Internet came on.
I think the mistake isn’t free speech but not having enough exceptions for fraudulent statements. For example, if you say anything false and damaging about a specific person, everyone agrees that’s libel and not “free speech”. But if you say something false and damaging about a group of people, like trans people or immigrants, that’s “free speech” and perfectly legal. Or if you say something false and damaging about fake cures, etc.
It’s actually a tough problem because we can’t expect everyone to just be perfectly right all the time. But I think that for people like Rogan who have a wide platform, there should be some liability for lying about things that actually harm others. The fact that this is effectively legal is why psychopaths are dominating media narratives right now.
I don’t care about individual expressing their opinions.
Once you have a following, you have a responsibility to speak the truth. We currently live in a world where fox news can spew incendiary lies 24/7 and noone bats an eye and if ever anyone says anything in court they simply claim to be entertaiment and that no reasonable person would take them seriously.
What. The. Fuck.
How is any of that possible, at all?
how can anyone agree with free speech being the worst thing to happen in the world since the internet. seriously, how can anyone read that and agree?
the worst thing to happen in the world since the internet…is free speech… please read what you are saying BEFORE submitting a comment. good lord. if there was a lemmy worst of that single line should be pinned to the top
I’m assuming you didn’t read or just pretend, but I’ll assume you very much know what I mean.
Free speech and the Internet is a horrible combination as the Internet gives a bullhorn to extremists, liars, conspiracy theorists and cheaters. Basically a large group of sociopaths who are willing to do the work to manipulate people for their own benefit and theirs alone.
Add AI to the mix and it becomes an absolute nightmare.
I’m not talking about you disagreeing with the government, let that be protected. I’m talking about the need for at least a basis of facts from which we can have a reasoned argument.
How am I to have a discussion with you about how to solve climate change if you heard from Alex Jones, oan, Fox news, and a bunch of conspiracy theorists that climate change is a hoax and a plot to rape your children, and you actually believe this nonsense?
That is where we are at RIGHT NOW.
Misinformation should simply not be protected anymore, Bo matter who it’s coming from. If you’re a politician and you spew unscientific bullshit you should be warned, second time fired. If a company publishes a fake scientific research paper to discredit climate change and it turns out it’s funded by oil companies? Throw all their CEO’s in jail for a year.
You’d be surprised how fast truth becomes a thing
Tell me: right now, what source of information can I still trust at all? A president? HAH! Those are the worst. Obama lied like 25% of the time, was it? Trump must be in the 80-90% somewhere. Same goes for news organizations, same goes for political organizations, same goes for the vast majority of websites that kust publish clickbait bullshit to get you to click, same goes for…
It has to stop
Disinformation should not be regarded as protected speech, any more than a fraudulent product claim or a defamatory comment is. Same goes for statements intended to incite stochastic terrorism, or specific and actionable death threats, or foreign propaganda emanating from troll farms.
Unless you are so stupid as to do nothing but repeat such malicious content, you free speech rights are not infringed by controlling malicious, false, toxic targeted claims such as those. And you are free to moan about it all you like, but it is becoming an existential matter for the preservation of democracy that such content is dealt with decisively. We’re in an information war, and the people originating that bullshit are this generation’s Lord Haw Haw and Tokyo Rose.
Please let’s do that. Half of Lemmy would go to jail and the other half straight to the death row
What I proposed is more for people with a following. I doubt there are huge followings on Lemmy, of all places
We need to get Joe Rogan to think the key to eternal youth is uranium glass butt plugs
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Just FYI, ivermectin is also a human dewormer, ir is very used in poor countries like here, Brazil
Everytime I hear it introduced as “horse dewormer”. The bias is already made clear.
While Mel Gibson is clearly off his rocker in that Ivermectin can’t do jack shit against cancer… So is OP for acting like it’s not safe for human consumption. It’s safe for consumption even at 10x a “normal” dosage (with all the Covid-19 studies showing that while more or less ineffective for COVID, not at all harmful otherwise at up to 3000μg/kg… or 15x a typical dosage http://ssrn.com/abstract=3714649).
IVM has been used safely in 3.7 billion doses worldwide since 1987
It’s 100% safe… and boatloads of it have been given to humans for longer than most people arguing about this shit have been alive.
Source: https://www.eurekaselect.com/article/41838
TL;DR… While probably useless for anything that people recently attribute to it… It’s safe for consumption as a general rule.
Bud they’re tricking idiots who need actual medicine into taking something that won’t help, and that gets people killed.
And lying by stating its for horses in a manner that makes someone assume it’s not for humans at all resolves what?
Because all the people taking it for COVID (and probably trying to cure cancer) were not getting it from the doctor. They were getting it from Farm supply stores . Everyone was calling it horse dewormer because that’s what it was. They were not going to get a prescription. I know because I live amongst these dummies that were asking on Facebook which one to get from the farm supply, what flavor was best, etc.
so you think Mel Gibson‘s friends got their ivermectin from a farm supply store?
I don’t think Mel Gibson has any friends.
It’s very likely off-label use, so maybe.
First you’re going to have to define “they”. The people that I unfortunately live around are part of this “they” group with your implied “all the people taking it for COVID” definition. All of them simply got the pills from Mexico, where you can walk into any farmacia and pick up boxes upon boxes of the stuff for like 1$ per pill. They’re setup for this down there… and talking to them when I was last there nearly 100% of their purchases come from the USA. And just like you, I can link a store, even several!
https://medsmex.com.mx/store/stromectol-ivexterm-ivermectin-6-mg-4-tabs/p-4734.html
https://arecovpharma.com/medications/products-covid-19
https://mexipharmacy.mx/eng/item/3686/veridex-ivermectin-4tab-6mgThis is way more common than your nonsense “well people are ordering from the farm supply store!”
I think either one of two things… You’ve fallen for a troll with your “dummies on Facebook”, or you’re lying, unknowingly or otherwise, in your claim that this is how “everyone” was getting it.
Once again (because it’s apparent that at least half of lemmy is incapable of reading based on the downvotes), I’m not stupid enough to think that Ivermectin does anything useful for COVID-19. But just because you saw 1-2 people on Facebook say something completely fucking dumb doesn’t mean that the whole of people taking the drug are doing it that way, or that the normal non-horse paste version of the medicine is hard to get a hold of. This is literally one of the most by dosage consumed medications of the planet. Very few people are taking the horse paste version of this thing when the pills are so readily available.
And even then… EVEN THEN, so what? Let the idiots eat their horse paste. Hopefully they choke on the filler and society becomes smarter for it… The drug itself is shown to be safe (though ineffective for what they’re hoping for). One of the links I posted previously showed no ill effects for up to 3000μg/kg (which only tested that high… not that it wouldn’t be safe at higher dosages). That paste you linked? is 200 μg/kg for it’s target 1250 horse. So for a 200lb human is 1250μg/kg. Well within “safe” tolerances, assuming they’re eating the whole damn tube. Laugh at them for being stupid sure, but I don’t see where ivermectin as one of the cheapest most taken drugs on the planet needs to garner a bad wrap from this. It’s saved boatloads of lives over it’s ~50 years in service now. It’s not “horse” dewormer. It as a drug is good for just about any parasite removal in just about ANY living animal… of which humans are indeed animals.
It is labeled for horses primarily. Approved for and customarily used on animals first. You know, humans don’t get many worms where the drug was invented and made. It’s like, some adults wear diapers, but when someone says diapers the user you picture is a baby. You say Ivermectin, and anyone that knows anything about it thinks horses. It’s used by vets more than doctors. It’s available, I believe, over the counter, at farm supply stores. Humans require a prescription, in the US, anyway.
Sometimes public ridicule is an appropriate remedy when social conduct is harmful yet not illegal.
In context, Mary Mallon was medically quarantined against her will, for life, because she refused to stop knowingly spreading disease. She broke the social contract. The social contract requires basic personal hygiene. The horse paste people anti-mask types are breaking the contract; they waste medication, they take up medical resources, and they knowingly spread disease. The same people take huge dumps and then don’t wash their hands.
And now, some Shakespeare:
“All the contagion of the south light on you, You shames of Rome! you herd of–boils and plagues. Plaster you o’er, that you may be abhorr’d. [Now go], further than [can be] seen, and one infect another, [and then go] against the wind [another] mile!”
It’s used by vets more than doctors.
It is only in the sense that third-world countries that rely on it just freely give it out rather than making it prescribed. Case and point being that it’s freely available in Mexico, as linked above.
Humans require a prescription, in the US, anyway.
US only accounts for ~350 million of the many BILLIONS of people on the planet. We’re talking about a drug that has been taken by BILLIONS and you can’t shut the fuck up about the 350 million Americans?
It is labeled for horses primarily. Approved for and customarily used on animals first.
Initial research RELEASED the drugs for animals first… Mostly because it’s easier to get approval for animal drugs than human drugs.
However, this drug has been trialed to humans since ~1980 (Animals is credited as “late 70’s”, but “was initially introduced as a commercial product for Animal Health in 1981”). So really no difference in timelines here comparatively… But you go ahead and keep lying about shit. If your qualifier that it’s “animal first” is that it was trialed in animals mere months before it was trialed in humans, then sure, you’re right. But I’m taking issue with that. That’s bullshit and you should know it. And yes, it’s also normal for human trials to last much longer than animal ones. Thus why it was on trials for years.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
So once again… kindly fuck off with the lying about the medicine. You’re better than that.
Berate the moron, not the functional medicine.
It is wild how they just jump from one thing to other mentioning things at random. “I know this guy who can point his finger at you and you will feel it, because you know… how did they build the pyramids?? This thing is like quantum physics”.
Is this the effects of too much ivermectin?My money’s on indiscriminate use of psychoative drugs, and general lack of mental discipline.
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We are all going to die
Yes but californians first
I thought the San Andreas fault would get em, but I was wrong.
No it’s not San Andrea’s fault, it’s Capitalism’s
This old earthquake’s gonna put me in the poorhouse.
