The footage of the fatal shooting of Alex Jeffrey Pretti, said one journalist, “shows that the final act of his life was trying to help a woman who was being physically assaulted by the masked agents who would then kill him.”
In the original video of the shooting of a man in Minneapolis, identified by the Minneapolis Star Tribune at 37-year-old Alex Jeffrey Pretti, a woman in a pink coat was seen in the background filming the incident with her phone.
Drop Site News obtained footage that appeared “to come from the direction of the woman in pink filming from the sidewalk” and showed the shooting at a closer distance than the footage taken from inside Glam Doll Donuts.
In the video, the shooting victim, dressed in a brown coat and pants, is seen filming a federal agent with his phone. He’s then seen guiding another person toward the sidewalk as the agent forcefully shoves a third person to the ground.
When a guy gets shot in the head, while pinned down to the ground, it is especially important to censor the “fuck”.
ICE murdered that man.
From here we have two paths:
One: Civility is eventually restored to government and these people are tried and convicted for their crimes.
Two: All out civil war.
We will not let ICE, Trump or any of these Nazis complete their agenda.
One: Civility is eventually restored to government and these people are tried and convicted for their crimes.
Respectfully, that’s an outcome, not a path to get there.
The MAGA shitheads won’t just give up and let themselves be prosecuted. They won’t stop appointing judges, they won’t stop cheating on elections, they won’t stop manipulating media, and they won’t stop harassing, intimidating, and killing their opposition until someone makes them.
There’s a third option: people don’t resist and the regime does whatever it wants.
So far we’ve chosen that option.
I want to believe that the killing of Good and Pretti will be a turning point…but I’m a middle aged American who has developed some cynicism about my fellow countrymen…
Ah, the good ol’ “Why are they not doing anything about this”.
The third option is what I expect from years of “American exceptionalism” brainwashing.
Ironically that’s how things went so wrong in Russia, too.
Germany too. Dont Be A Sucker should be alll over social media
I expect them to act smug and talk about the midterms.
100% - You’re suggesting to fight the U.S. Military in power. History has shown that nobody “wins” against the American Military. (inb4 some obscure factoid). Even in Vietnam or Afghanistan, it was just destruction - nobody won anything except the investors.
There’s 0 leadership down in the trenches too. So ontop of suggesting to fight the U.S. Military, you’re suggesting to do so as unorganized. That’s going to be easily spun by media as terrorist cells. Sure, they’re throwing around “domestic terrorist” already, but it hits differently when they only see 1 side dying. Once there are actual gunfights in the street is when they can rally support from their base for actual action.
We have to wait for midterms. There’s been so much bad press regarding Trumps 2nd term that regaining control of the Senate is doable, albeit difficult. In the chance that the Senate is held, then there’s a chance to restore order and bring people to justice. Midterms is going to be impossible to avoid for those who participate so it’s going to be impossible to avoid the onslaught of bullshit that ensues and will be a wake up call for the people not on Lemmy (or Reddit) and still on Facebook or X (Boomers).
Personally, I think a Civil War in inevitable. I don’t think the Trump Admins are going to recede power. I don’t think Dems are going to get a majority in the Senate, and I think things are going to get worse. That being said, Midterms is a chance to find leadership and a chance for actual States to break out of this charade.
That’s going to be easily spun by media as terrorist cells.
And the “terrorist” label might also be pretext for the government to de-bank the people they accuse.
There’s a third option: people don’t resist and
the regime does whatever it wants.we fight them in the courtGlad I could fix that for you.
Military coup. The only way a civil war is successful is if the military are on the side of the people. The most important of which would be the USN and USAF Strategic Forces. A prolonged ground war is only won by sea, air, and nuclear forces. More specifically nuclear forces in the hands of said military who will NOT use them on our own land.
It will present a serious challenge with all the Pentagon purges. But the majority of Flag and Line officers are from West Point, Annapolis, and Maxwell. It’s unlikely most side with Trump (for now). The real trick will hinge on the NCOs, as the US Military is predominantly a middle-out force, and senior NCOs hold the bulk of our service members’ respect. What they decide to do in the majority will dictate the outcome of a civil war. One NG commander already stated publicly he will order his soldiers to protect protesters from ICE agents. There is a small chance.
Ideally the next time President Trump boards Marine 1 he’s taken into custody at a military base with a large Delta, Rangers, or NG presence to subdue USSS agents. With a Federal Judge, Vance, Speaker Johnson, and Grassley in tow. Invoke 25 or Martial Law, and go down the line of succession until someone takes the oath. This is highly unlikely though. A full impeachment is more likely, but a lot of people will need to for die before it will happen.
It’s either that or The Man in The High Castle. The American Fourth Reich.
Civility is eventually restored to government and these people are tried and convicted for their crimes.
For that you need some power. Effectively in other countries like Ukraine, the economic nobility (i.e billionaires) comes to the rescue. The problem is that it seems that the economic nobility has built a golem they no longer control but are doubling down on controlling it.
Two: All out civil war.
In this case you also need some power backing it. Unless you are Cuba or some shithole like the Russian Empire in 1917.
My marvel influenced child, the only way the society pushes back with these cards is internal sabotage.
Something I was just made aware of: after shooting and killing Alex Pretti, ICE officers then stood back and shot him 5 more times.
The one source of truth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti
Alex Pretti was murdered.
Say it with me. This was no “shooting.”
And it’s going to keep happening again and again.
Alex Pretti was murdered by ICE
Renee Macklin Good was murdered by ICE
A lot more than those people…ICE Deaths Memorial https://icefalltracker.com/
Since justice is dead, it’s time to get the shooters’ names out there. We all saw with our own eyes what happened.
Alex Pretti was murdered by ICE
Renee Macklin Good was murdered by ICE
Did you copy/paste the other person…?
Yes.
I think Executed would be the correct term. The EXECUTED him while several agents held him down.
I had this discussion about the usage of “murder” vs “execution” a couple of months ago with some guy on lemmy.
To people who are fond of judicial sanctified vengance killings aka capital punishment, the term “execution” has a positive connotation. To you and me, calling this cold blooded murder “execution” enhances the abhorrence. To them, it expresses justification.
Murderers should get murdered.
It’s not murder if a murderer gets killed. That’s referred to as an execution specifically and justice more broadly
TheN tHe NuMbEr Of KilLeRs WiLl sTaY tHe SaMe.
that if you only kill one ICE golem in terraria. the following ICE golems are freebies
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This is just straight up murder. He shot man in the back a dozen times with no threat to his safety at all, this is AFTER they gang beat him to the ground for no reason. This is unacceptable.
Best video I’ve seen:
https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qm2vi0/heres_your_proof_with_the_moment_of_truth_isolated/
Trump’s Taliban doing summary street executions now.
Thugs checklist:
- Pepper spray
- Push down on ground
- Feral pack pile on
- Run off with the gun they stole
- Empty clips into prone body
5 happened before 4
Its a minor detail, but really highlights the heinous nature of what happened here. They disarmed him before executing him.
Honestly, i think its a pretty major detail. They disarmed him and then shot him 10 times. Its what changes this from murder to execution. The man was not a threat the whole time but after they took his only means of being a threat they then killed him and are claiming he was a threat. They neutered their own defence. If he still had the gun when they shot him they would have an easier time lying about what happened.
The 8 year Border Patrol veteran who shot him seemed to see the gun and unholstered his own, then the moment Alex’s gun was taken away he started shooting. It’s like he saw the justification and realized he could execute him and waited to be safe, at no point is the main murderer in any danger or engaged directly with Alex, he was watching from above until he started shooting.
Yep. Fixed.
“What the f*ck did you do?”
NEEDS to be embraced as a slogan with the same passion as “Let’s Go Brandon”
It’s the perfect Anti-ICE, Anti-Trump, Anti-Capitalist message.
It calls back to the decades of intelligent well educated Americans saying this was an inevitability given the obvious path we’ve been on.
He saved that woman’s life, but I cannot imagine how she feels right now. I would be sick with survivor’s guilt.
Does anybody have a good source on the original full resolution videos from the source where they were posted/first shared?
Doesn’t matter to the MAGAts, they will just disobey the evidence of their eyes, as the party tells them.
“I don’t read propaganda” was one of the last things my mother said to me before we broke off communication for good. I don’t associate with nazis or their supporters. And of course the irony is lost on her, that propaganda is the ONLY thing she consumes.
I’m sorry you had to lose your mother to this bullshit.
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It’s … predictable. The MAGA on my FB feed are all quiet. Not one single peep. They’ll ignore it until they’re given some talking points. Or they’ll just never mention it.
Plenty of the right leaning people I talk to say he was reaching for his gun. I can’t see it.
This will become the next election-fraud-style loyalty test. If you state publicly that you don’t see manslaughter in the video, you’ve proven your loyalty to the great leader.
My dad refuses to see or hear any evidence that may break his mental gymnasts back. He actually behaves like a toddler, by screaming and flailing to avoid some bitter medicine. I mean literally squeezing his eyes closed, yelling and flailing his arms when I try to show him what he has done
Kristi Noem lying on TV this very moment about Alex Pretti and painting him as terrorist. And then claims the investigation will be performed. It seems to me they performed investigation 5 seconds after they put like 15 rounds into Alex. This shit needs Nuremberg type trials for entire current USA administration starting with Trump, all his hyenas and all the agents that murdered Alex and Renee. USA is a lawless wild west. They aren’t enforcing laws, they are playing Judge Dredd and interpret the laws pretty much randomly the way they feel, usually ending with innocent people dying. And then they continue lying about it. This is fucked.
Not to be overly Comic-book-guy but:
Judge Dredd is never portrayed killing someone for his own gratification in 2000AD. He isn’t racist, or to my knowledge, even a classist.
Yes, he is a ‘judge’ in an ultra violent society that devolves execution, due process and investigation to the officer on the beat.
But no one is above the law as far as he concerned not even the judiciary. There probably isn’t a president of the US that he wouldn’t have arrested for their crimes, and quite a few he’d execute for their crimes against humanity. Trump wouldn’t have made it to this millennium.
These ICE thugs are just cowardly fascist scum. Law is just a weapon of suppression to them. For Judge Dredd the law was sacred and the only thing preventing humanity from eating itself in his post apocalyptic future hellscape.
Him and The Punisher (who law enforcement tend to idolize) are people we shouldn’t wish for, but maybe people like them are sometimes required. When the justice system fails, who holds people accountable? If no one, then there’s nothing stopping evil people from doing whatever they want.
We don’t want state officials working for vigilante justice, but occasionally in history someone does need to.
Which goes to show that one of the mightiest weapons against the oligarchs turning the people against each other is the teaching of critical thinking in schools.
That’s why this cultural virus attacks teachers and coups education boards. The pay off is these automatons believing that there is a direct mirror between the egoless Dredd having the ultimate power to end a criminal’s life within the boundaries of a harsh but ultimately unprejudiced set of laws and their own prejudicial bloodthirsty fascism that constantly corrupts the law to suit their ingroup and individual needs.
We need to see the video he was making, you know, the one to hold the ICE agents accountable, the one they killed him for
We never will see that one. The ICEholes will have taken it as “evidence” so they can destroy it.
If his icloud or google account can be accessed then it is likely the video exists still. I doubt those agents were smart enough to realise this and likely destroyed the phone thinking that would do it.
Can apple or google access your photos and videos?
Yes they can and do access your photos and videos. The claim they need this profoundly invasive business practice to scan your media for CSAM to “protect the children.”
Yes they can but they’ll only do it when they’re sucking up to federal law enforcement
The very minute I read some synopsis on a news alert on my phone and saw that it was claimed that “he had a gun” I disbelieved that.
Even if he had a gun and he’s on the ground and tried to get up? That justifies shooting “roughly 10” times?
He did have a gun.
He was being a responsible citizen, exercising his 2nd Amendment rights with a holstered weapon, in compliance with Minnesota law.
Gestapo thugs tackled and beat him, upholstered and removed the firearm from his side, and only then did they unload 9 bullets into him as he laid unarmed and beaten on the street.
But as you’ll see, and as anyone who’s ever paid attention to the 2A fascist assholes will know, they suddenly become hyper anti-gun the moment its someone they don’t like exercising their rights.
That sure sounds like something the NRA should have an opinion about
The NRA exists solely for the profit of firearms manufacturers.
This won’t hinder their sales,so the NRA won’t care.
The NRA is an embezzlement scam. They don’t care about gun rights OR gun manufacturers
It might even increase them.
I hope innocent people start arming themselves. It’s fucking time for the 2A to kick in
I live in MPLS and I just passed my qualification for a permit to carry yesterday. Never thought I’d be the type of person to learn about and practice firearms but now that the future is so uncertain and tumultuous I figure it’s better to be educated and practiced just-in-case.
Good! Education and practice are key! More people need to follow your example!
Their sales will actually go up as more people on either side arm themselves. The rich get richer, the machine of death keeps rolling.
Lol, if that were true, they should be shouting from the rooftops because after this, people will be scrambling to get guns when an occupying private military starts executing civilians on the street.
The NRA started the anti-gun movement in California alongside Reagan. In response to the Black Panthers carrying while copwatching as they did similar shit to the Black neighborhoods in the 1960s.
The NRA will back it no problem. They have before.
The NRA protects cops more than they protect guns.
Idk about the NRA, but this is the GOAs response.
While I disagree with their statement about immigration, I gotta at least give them credit for not being totally two-faced.
That statement some real “both sides” energy bullshit. The only ones obliged to behave like professionals here are the ones representing the US government on official duty. The rest are obliged to do exactly what they are doing. Keep watching, keep filming, keep supporting each other, and keep showing the world all of it.
It would have been great if not for that “The Left is clearly the antagonist here!1111!111” part
I’ve seen those headlines too. It’s seems like they are trying to insinuate that it actually is criminal in some respect for citizens to carry guns in the US. At least that’s the vibe I’m getting from them making a big deal about that detail.
Republicans are hunting Americans. It’s Republicans vs. America.
It’s neoconfederates come to finish the job because the Civil War never fixed the core issue and just let it sulk until America no longer had a shared reality.
This is 100% the root.
Why would the neoconfederates also win in the north? I would assume that not everything can be attributed to people from the south.
In 2000, for instance, the US Census Bureau found that residential segregation has on average declined since 1980 in the West and South, but less so in the Northeast and Midwest.[116] Indeed, the top ten most segregated cities are in the Rust Belt, where total populations have declined in the last few decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States
Confederate and especially Neoconfederate does not mean “people from the south.” Lost causism is everywhere in this country.
You are basically dismissing a pretty low bar because some other bars that are following suit are not that low. The “People from the South” are not the problem, rather, it is the stranglehold in information warfare that prevents Americans from living in a shared reality that has now been cultivated and ingrained into culture for several generations.
it is the stranglehold in information warfare that prevents Americans from living in a shared reality
So where is the connection to neoconfederates?
Neo-Confederates are groups and individuals who portray the Confederate States of America and its actions during the American Civil War in a positive light.
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it is the stranglehold in information warfare that prevents Americans from living in a shared reality that has now been cultivated and ingrained into culture for several generations.
“So WhErE iS tHe CoNnEcTiOn WiTh ThIs GrOuP tRyInG tO eStAbLiSh A sTrAnGlEhOlD In iNfOrMaTiOn wArFaRe tHaT PrEvEnTs aMeRiCaNs fRoM LiViNg iN A ShArEd rEaLiTy tHaT HaS NoW BeEn cUlTiVaTeD AnD InGrAiNeD InTo cUlTuRe fOr sEvErAl gEnErAtIoNs!?!?!? ChEcKmAtE & lInK!”
It has honestly been a waste of time.
I believe that there is a stranglehold in information warfare. But without any supporting reasoning I don’t understand why the motivation for that warfare should come from Neo-Confederates. I would rather believe that that explanation is a distraction and part of the warfare.
They are MAGA. The Republican Party is dead, that was just the larval stage, before it morphed into its final form - MAGA. We should only refer to the Republican Party from a historical or scholarly perspective.
They are ALL MAGA now.
100 %, and I would add that every Republican is blissfully celebrating the murders on Minnesota - every MAGA wants you dead if you aren’t in agreement with them.
Things I thought I’d never say: I miss the Republicans of the eighties. They were all a mix of absolute cowards, grifters, and idiots, but the new MAGA party that has replaced them manages to consistently be even worse.
Rose-tinted glasses, I’m afraid. They may claim their hearts may have desired to respect some ideal, but the facts and evidence show that’s absolutely not true. Some useful links:
Yep we must resist the urge to revisit even recent neocons like Bush II as “good old days conservatives” because they were absolutely monsters and it makes it seem like Democratic opposition at the time was just silly fearmongering. It was not. We are making real estate deals with the country that did 9/11 and we destabilized two other countries for oil and political points, under the guise of 9/11 retribution. That’s like getting coffee with your wife’s rapist after burning down some other guy’s house in anger over it.
Exactly this. There have never been any “good conservatives”, they’ve always been like this – now they’ve just gotten more power
Feelings like that are why the Democrats are trying (and failing) to be Republican-lite now.
I think I don’t understand your comment.
Are you suggesting my somewhat sardonic comment that the historically terrible party has managed to become so awful and vile that I “miss” them being just terrible is representative of why Democrats are moving to the right?
That’s the only interpretation I can fathom and I fail to see the logic if I’m correct.
It’s the same fucking people. 80 year olds sitting in power right now were in power then, too.
They didn’t wake up this way, they’ve won through incrementalism and can now go mask off.
The difference was that the 80s Republican politicians still loved America. MAGA politicians are all Sociopathic Oligarchs or their flunkies, and they hate America, and ONLY see it as a fat, rich, lazy target to be ruthlessly exploited in every possible way.
80s Republicans were narcissistic patriots, MAGAs are narcissistic and corrupt traitors, rapists, pedophiles, racists, ignorant, incompetent and CRIMINALS.
The difference was that the 80s Republican politicians still loved America.
Sorry but that’s just not true. The heritage foundation has never loved america and has never produced an american-loving republican, only capitalism and capital-loving republicans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Doctrine#Origin_and_advocates https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/reagan-and-heritage-unique-partnership
With the arrival of the Reagan administration, The Heritage Foundation and other conservative foreign policy think tanks saw a political opportunity to significantly expand Carter’s Afghanistan policy into a more global “doctrine”, including U.S. support to anti-communist resistance movements in Soviet-allied nations in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. According to political analysts Thomas Bodenheimer and Robert Gould, “it was the Heritage Foundation that translated theory into concrete policy. Heritage targeted nine nations for regime change: Afghanistan, Angola, Cambodia, Ethiopia, Iran, Laos, Libya, Nicaragua, and Vietnam”.
Probably valid, but they still weren’t killing citizens in the streets.
Umm… no. People were killed, white people just didn’t care because the people dying weren’t white and therefore it wasn’t on the news. Republicans were killing citizens on the street in the name of fighting drugs and family values by killing black and brown people with hiv, crack and making abortions illegal.
This is well-known history and honestly to forget it is either a deliberate choice at worse or gross negligence at best.
White people would have cared more, they just didn’t know about it because video cameras were so rare back then. That’s why the Rodney King case was such a big deal. For the first time, we saw how cops really treated black suspects.
A few years later it was driven home during the OJ trial, when we heard about even more systemic abuses by the LAPD, leading to a jury who simply didn’t trust any police testimony due to decades of abuse. White Americans were finally understanding that cops weren’t just ignoring blacks, they were systematically targeting them for abuse.
Then smartphones came along and definitively proved it across the entire country.
Killed by the Klan, but the government helped justify it. Did the same kind of shit they are doing to Renee Good.
ICE is just formally state sponsored Klan. The Venn diagram of cops and Klan approaches a circle at certain points of US history.
The problem is the grifters pushing fear for political support and cash for several decades. People grew up in that environment no knowing it was all a grift.
The lunatics have now become in charge of the aslyum. All those grifters and old people still in charge, fuck em. They made this bed and still haven’t taken responsbiility for it.
Some Dems are in favor of ICE, is the government V Americans. it always was the top vs the bottom, just now law enforcement is executing white people, not just minorities.
They shot him many times so he couldn’t testify later against them. 1 shot, then a bunch for the kill.
public paramilitary execution.
